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One reader questioned the logic behind our selection of vehicles for inclusion in our Gas-Sipper Smackdown. (Photo by Scott Jacobs)

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May 2008
Date Posted 06-19-2008

Subject: "Gas-Sipper Smackdown!"
From: Kevin
After reading this article, I'm left wondering why you selected those four cars; I am sure they are not the best four. For example, my wife drives a 2007 manual-transmission Mini Cooper in Phoenix, Arizona, hardly ever going on the freeway, and she is getting over 40 mpg. I suspect this car would have comfortably beaten the Ford Focus.

I am concerned that you may have been influenced by commercial considerations, although I certainly hope this is not the case. I have found your site very helpful in the past. But why did you not choose the (likely) best four?

Many people seeing this article may assume that you chose the best four vehicles, so it would be good if you could add an explanation of your selection criteria.

We talked a lot about what cars to test. And a case can be made for any number of potential candidates. The cold hard fact is this: It is frequently impossible to borrow your first choice of test cars from any manufacturer. Getting the exact cars you want, equipped the way you want them on the exact day you need them, can be quite difficult, especially since automakers have a tendency to load up their test fleets with luxury options, upgraded engines and automatic transmissions.

As you know, we have our own long-term test fleet, so any cars we use from that pool have no logistical strings attached. But the cars that are in it are chosen for various reasons, only one of which is fuel economy. The Ford Focus, for example, is in our fleet because we wanted to spend some time with the breakthrough Sync audio system, and that's the first car in which Ford released it. But the number of cars that we can keep and maintain in our long-term fleet is limited; we don't have everything, either.

Nevertheless, we felt that we could put together a good technology comparison from within our own fleet. And we did see this as a technology comparison. Do hybrids really excel in the city? Gasoline mpg is said to drop off significantly in stop-and-go city driving. Diesel engines reportedly rival hybrids on the highway, but how do they do in the city? Does the lightweight half-car with the tiny engine crush them all?

Hybrid: Toyota Prius — the obvious choice Diesel: Volkswagen Jetta (used) — another obvious choice, but we can't test the new one until the 50-state car comes out this summer Gasoline: Ford Focus — not the highest-mpg car in the segment, but it is quite close (See below.) Dinky city car from overseas: Smart — so new and so different that we knew people might want to know what it can or cannot do

It just so happens that we have one of each of these in our long-term fleet. I agree that the Focus isn't the highest fuel-economy compact, but I want to stress again that the main take-away from this test should be how each type differs in city versus highway driving. How does straight gasoline differ from a hybrid, diesel or microcar?

Yes, a Toyota Corolla may have done a bit better than the Focus by an mpg or two, but that would have still left it 4th in the city and on the highway versus the other technologies. It would not have altered the basic results.

And a 2008 Mini requires premium fuel, a $0.22-per-gallon difference that negates a 2-mpg advantage (at 37 mpg), walletwise. If money is to be saved, we find it hard to pump premium into a tank as a recommended or required fuel. That the Smart required it was something we were willing to overlook because of its extremely unusual nature and high reader interest in this never-before-seen (in the U.S.) car.

(All numbers are for automatics.)
2008 Ford Focus 24 city/33 highway
2008 Toyota Corolla 26 city/35 highway
2008 Mini Cooper 26 city/34 highway (premium fuel)
2008 Honda Civic 25 city/36 highway

But don't worry: We plan to revisit this test on a semi-regular basis, especially when new technologies come out. We're excited about the new 50-state Jetta TDI, the upcoming Prius and, yes, we will rotate the gasoline representative so that the current mpg champ is represented (if we can get one). — Ed.


Subject: Road Noise and Water Leakage
From: Ian
How does Edmunds test for noise (road noise, wind noise, etc.), and how do you test for water leakage?

Thanks for your question.

Here's how we evaluate noise:

  • Primarily, we use subjective techniques. Trained evaluators with experience in hundreds of vehicles grade performance on a 10-point scale. They consider engine noise, road and tire noise, and wind noise.

  • General interior noise is measured using a microphone and decibel meter on a road surface away from traffic.


We don't test for water leakage — that requires a specific indoor facility that we do not have.

Many carmakers use subjective methods for general noise-performance grading, too, but they use very sophisticated instrumented tests to help them pinpoint the source of a leak or noise path so they can design an effective countermeasure. (That's the main difference between our approach and theirs — we don't have to engineer a solution.)

Automakers have proving grounds that contain anechoic chambers and indoor dynamometers; they have multiple noise-specific road surfaces; they use ultrasonic leak detection instruments; they build entire car wash simulators to simulate a deluge (complete with wind, in some cases); and they use a lot of other specific tools to work out exactly what frequency the noise is, and where it is coming from. Obviously, some are more adept at it than others.

Customer desires for quiet vary widely. Some folks want to hear the engine; others don't. Some want utter silence and isolation from the highway, others want to feel more "in touch" with the road (and part of that perception is sound). And so the different automakers have different approaches to NVH (noise, vibration and harshness). Some are actively courting the luxury/comfort customer, while others want to be known as more sporting. And for the most part, their respective corporate sound fingerprints reflect that. Of course, there are those that aren't good at NVH control at all. — Ed.


Subject: Bench Seats and Column Shifters
From: Valerie
I am wondering if you have any research on 2003 or newer sedan vehicles with either a front bench seat and/or a shifter on the column. I need a vehicle for the delivery of mail. It will make it safer. Please help!

Thanks for your question. Here are a few sedans that currently offer front bench seats: Buick Lucerne
Mercury Grand Marquis
Chevrolet Impala

As far as column shifters go, the Toyota Prius and the Mercury Grand Marquis definitely offer this feature.

Good luck with your purchase!


Subject: Track Testing
From: Simon
First off, I'd like to say that I enjoy using your site as a resource toward my next car purchase. I was looking over your comparison test between the Civic Hybrid and the Toyota Prius and noticed that the Civic did the 0-60 run in 12.4 seconds while the Prius did it in 10.9 seconds. However, Winding Road lists the Civic Hybrid's time as 8.5 seconds and the Prius' as 10 seconds, making the Civic quicker in the 0-60. My question is, which one has better overall acceleration, and is there a noticeable difference between the two in this category? I am in the market for one of these and have test-driven both of them and I am not sure what to make of either one. I would also like to know how you conduct this test as well. Thanks for your help.

Thanks for your question, and we're glad you find our site useful. We do our own track testing. It appears as if the numbers listed on Winding Road are figures gathered directly from the manufacturer, and not from independent track testing. We conduct our tests using trained, experienced test-drivers and the latest in equipment; our intention is to provide readers with a truly independent source for performance information. Look for an article that outlines our testing methodology to hit our site in the next few weeks.

As we mentioned in our comparison, the Civic Hybrid offers superior handling, but the Prius offers better acceleration and a more impressive features list. The Prius was the winner in our comparison, based on these strengths. — Ed.


Subject: Civic Hybrid or LX?
From: Susan
I will be buying either a new Honda Civic LX or Honda Civic Hybrid. I can't decide which car would be best for me. This will be my first new car. I commute a total of 65 miles a day, five days a week. I want to get the best deal and have never before negotiated on a car. Ideally, I would like my payments to be around $200 a month. I know that I could accomplish that if I purchased the Civic LX. What would be a fair price to pay on either car? Please give me the pros and cons on each vehicle. Thank you.

Thanks for your question. To get started, we'd recommend taking a look at our article, "10 Steps to Buying a New Car". This article covers everything from negotiating for the lowest price to taking possession of your new car, and is an excellent way to ensure that you're armed with the sort of knowledge that can help you get the best deals.

The value of each vehicle will depend on factors such as the area in which the car is being purchased and the options offered on the vehicle. We offer a feature on our site that allows you to determine the Edmunds.com True Market Value (TMV®) of each vehicle under consideration. Use our TMV Calculator to select the Honda model that you'd like to research, and follow the steps as described to arrive at its TMV.

Both the LX and Hybrid models of the Civic are great choices. Perhaps the biggest differences separating them have to do with acceleration time and gas mileage. The LX offers much faster acceleration times, but the Hybrid offers superior gas mileage. Gather more insight on both models by reading our Honda Civic model review. — Ed.


Subject: Stereo Evaluations
From: Tim
Thank God your stereo evaluation is back! Please don't drop it again. Thank you very much!

Thanks for your feedback. Unfortunately, we don't have the resources to offer stereo evaluations for all vehicles tested, but we will make an effort to provide as many as we possibly can. — Ed.

Subject: Domestic Gas-Sippers
From: Andy
You have a great Web site, but it does not answer one question: Which American cars have the best mileage and consumer ratings? Can you make a few suggestions?

Thanks for your help!

Thanks for your question. We have a top 10 list on the most fuel-efficient sedans, but all those choices are imports. Some good choices for those seeking fuel-efficient domestics include:

Chevrolet Aveo — 24 city/34 highway (average consumer rating of 8.9)
Chevrolet Cobalt — 24 city/33 highway (average consumer rating of 9.0)
Ford Focus — 24 city/35 highway (average consumer rating of 9.4 out of a possible 10)
Pontiac G5 — 24 city/33 highway (average consumer rating of 9.9)

Be sure to read the model reviews of these vehicles to see which best matches your needs. — Ed.


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