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April 2003
By editors at Edmunds.com
Date Posted 05-01-2003
Subject: Drivetrains
From: Chris
I'm a bit confused about the nature of four-wheel drive in trucks. A friend of
mine mentioned that most American trucks have an "open rear," meaning that power
is sent to only one of the rear wheels at a time. It shifts back and forth as
to which wheel slips more. My question is: when 4WD is engaged, does this mean
that the front axle sends power to only one wheel also, or are all four wheels
actually being driven? Why the 1WD anyway? Do non-AWD live-axle SUVs feature the
same system? How about 2WD performance trucks like the F-150
Lightning?
There are many ways to refer to an open differential in which only one wheel
on an axle gets power. Everything from "open diff" to "one legger" to "non posi"
has been used, but in every case it means the same thing, and the manufacturers
use it because it's less sophisticated and provides smoother operation during
typical street driving than the alternatives (of which there are many). When referring
to the opposite type of differential, "limited slip" is probably the most common
term, and it essentially means that power is divided between two wheels on a given
axle, thus reducing the chances of losing traction when trying to accelerate on
a slippery surface. When engaging four-wheel drive, power is sent to both axles,
but without locking or limited-slip differentials a four-wheel-drive vehicle is
essentially a vehicle with two "open diff" axles. The same is true of all-wheel
drive. You can learn more about these systems by reading our story What
Wheel Drive? Ed.
Subject: Burying Old Stereotypes
From: Denise
Despite a plethora of corroborating research, Philip Reed finds it hard to believe
that consumers continue to experience increased satisfaction with the auto purchase
process.
His attack on Automotive Retailing Today's (ART) car buyers' satisfaction
survey perpetuates outdated misperceptions. His sentiments clearly contradict
those of a growing number of Americans who are more than satisfied with the auto
buying experience.
ART's survey indicates that customers are making use of available on-line resources
and are entering dealerships more educated than ever before about vehicle features,
pricing, options and performance. Our research revealed that 78 percent of Asians
prepare for their purchase experience by using the Internet, as do 49 percent
of Caucasians, 43 percent of African-Americans and 42 percent of Hispanics. When
consumers arrive at a dealership, they have a good idea of what they want and
how much they are willing to pay for it, making the purchase process more efficient
and putting them at an advantage. Mr. Reed wonders if the rise in satisfaction
is due to the widespread use of incentives and low-interest financing made available
since September 2001, not specifically because of the increased dealer performance.
ART wondered the same thing so we asked that very question in our survey.
The result: the characteristic those consumers liked the MOST about their new
vehicle purchase or leasing experience was the vehicle itself, according to 24
percent of respondents; 11 percent named the service they received from the sales
department; and only 8 percent said the price.
Simply stated, Americans are walking into showrooms more informed and confident
than ever before, and dealers are meeting or exceeding their expectations. Maybe
it's time to give the last rites to those old negative stereotypes about car dealers.
Your response seems to indicate consumers are more educated primarily
through the Internet and sites like Edmunds.com and that's why they are
happier with their dealership experience; a position we wholeheartedly agree with.
Also, we find it interesting that the product itself is what the largest number
of your respondents identified as the favorite aspect of their car-buying experience.
The service from the sales department was a distant second, with less than half
the percentage points 11 percent for the service staff. So, the
product has gotten better and consumers have become more educated about the buying
process, thus reducing their chances of being skewered by the dealership when they go
to buy a vehicle. It's difficult to see how these factors indicate a need to "give
last rites to those old negative stereotypes about car dealers." Ed.
Subject: Lemon Law
From: Claire
Do you know if one can sell a car "as is" without liability?
I've heard scary things about the lemon law in Massachusetts. One car dealer we
were THINKING of trading in my car with said we'd be crazy to sell it ourselves
because if something went wrong WE would have to cover the cost of repairs
even if it was more than the cost of the car. I have a feeling that's bull
but what's your take on it?
A dealer feeding a consumer bull just to ensure a sale through their own lot?
That sounds like an out-of-date stereotype
The term "lemon law" refers to a consumer protection law against flawed cars
sold by dealers, not private parties. If you sell a car "as is" and represent
it accurately to the buying party, you'll have taken all the necessary steps to
avoid a frivolous lawsuit. When it comes to legal protection, there are no absolute
guarantees, but thousands of cars are sold by private parties everyday.
Ed.
Subject: Advertising Fees
From: Shawn
I am a car salesman who recently read an article by Consumer Reports that
was meant to warn consumers of how evil salesmen are. I wrote a response to them
because I thought their article, and general mentality, was unfair. I also felt
they were shady to sell invoice pricing that can easily be obtained through sites
like yours. I am sending copies of this to other written and electronic news media
in case you are interested in telling both sides of the story. I have read your
"Confessions of a Salesman"
and I feel that it was mostly fair, and I recommend your site to customers. Please
let me know if you are interested.
Also, on your invoice pricing, you do not include marketing assessment which is
usually around $500. Yahoo notes that it exists and CR gives it. Please make some
sort of note on the site that it exists so my customers do not look at me crazy
when I mention it.
Advertising fees are assessed by regional ad groups and are placed on invoices
for those dealers that participate. We capture invoice prices at a national level
and thus do not generally reflect these special regional adjustments. We are often
asked if these are legitimate expenses and we acknowledge that they certainly
are real costs to the dealer. But by looking at Edmunds' TMV, we account for these
extra fees. Consumers who try to match our invoice prices to the dealers are missing
the big picture. We have already given you the fair market price you can expect
to pay for a certain car in a specific market. Ed.
Subject: Confessions of a Car Salesman
From: Randall
Your exposé on the trials and tribulations of car salesmen (and women)
was notably enjoyable, but brought many good, and some not so good, memories of
my own foray into the murky world of car sales.
I spent about a year in the biz and without exception every single one of your
examples and stories were 100 percent accurate. Did we work in the same place
at the same time? I wonder
.
Subject: Focus With Mazda 6 Engine
From: Ben
It is my understanding from the Edmunds
Town Hall that in N.Y., Mass. and Calif., people can now buy a Ford
Focus with the new 2.3-liter, four-cylinder engine from the Mazda
6. I've driven the 6 and loved it, but it is a little out of my price range.
If they are putting that same engine in the Focus, though, that makes it a mini-6,
sort of. My question is whether the esteemed editors of Edmunds know more about
this engine change and if so when will the rest of the country (I'm in Michigan)
benefit from it? I love Edmunds! Nothing else even comes close! Thanks!
The 2.3-liter PZEV engine that's now available in the Focus in certain states
is, in fact, the same engine used in the Mazda 6, but due to its stricter emissions
controls it generates less horsepower and torque than the equivalent engine in
the Mazda. This engine will be available in all non-SVT Focus models nationwide
roughly a year from now. Ed.
Subject: Gas Guzzler Question
From: Max
I have a gas guzzler tax question for anyone who can help me be better educated.
I am going to negotiate a purchase price for a 2003
Cobra tomorrow. The dealer (very friendly person) faxed me the window sticker.
The numbers matched exactly with Edmunds'. However
the dealer's window sticker
has a $1,000 gas guzzler tax. This price is not specifically mentioned by Edmunds.
Consequently, I am now unsure about my offer. Here's a little background about
my car-buying record: I have never paid over invoice for any new car I have purchased.
This includes the 2002 Acura TL Type-S
and the 2001 Maxima 20th Anniversary
Edition that I have bought in the past. I wish to offer the invoice price
for the Cobra, but I'm not sure if Edmunds includes the $1,000 gas guzzler tax.
Can anyone help me with this matter? Thank you!
Bottom line
no. Gas guzzler tax is a "below the line" add-on. TMV is
the purchase price before adjustments such as sales tax, gas guzzler tax, luxury
tax, smog, etc. Ed.
Subject: Mini
From: Ronald
I do not care for and do not appreciate the political editorial comments made
by D. John Booth in the follow-up
test of the 2003 Mini Cooper S. That kind of cutesy personal political opinion
is out of place in a car review. The writer should focus on something about
which he has knowledge or experience or get a lesson in writing.
Subject: Mini Cooper Follow-Up
From: Jay
I just wanted to say that I love Edmunds, but I could live without the caustic
political remarks as seen in the first paragraph of the article (2003 Cooper
S follow-up). No big deal, it's just the last thing I want to read while relaxing
with an expectedly good piece of automotive journalism. I get my fill of political
satire elsewhere, from more relevant sources.
Subject: Better Leave Bush Out Of It
From: Dave
With war approval ratings hovering around 80 percent, and U.S. discontent with
the French at all-time highs, why would you attack George W. Bush as the leader
of an administration that has failed diplomatically? It would be a lot easier
to say that the French failed diplomatically, considering there are 49 countries
supporting our action in Iraq. The way I see it, those that oppose this war
are more opposed to George W. Bush than they are to the liberation of an oppressed
people whose leader is a threat to the world. But that's just me
and about
80 percent of this country, so let's leave the politically charged anti-Bush
rhetoric out of your otherwise excellent articles.
Subject: Mini Cooper
From: Paul
I just wanted to thank you for your excellent review of the "Works" Cooper S.
Edmunds is the best.
Subject: Mini Cooper
From: Chris
Unser... Not Andretti had assault charges. A bit of fact-checking may be in
order for your next article.
Unser
Andretti. Whatever it takes
Ed.
Subject: Quick Saturn Opinion
From: Bill
OK I am sure you get these all the time, so I will keep this short. Since
I haven't the money for a Volvo XC90,
I am considering a 2003 Saturn Vue
based on the below criteria. Could you just give me a simple buy/don't buy response
to my logic (if you have the time or are inclined). Thanks a ton!
- Safety
- Reliability
- Cost
- Zero-percent interest for 60 months
The Volvo possesses greater safety technology. Our eight months in a Saturn
Vue long-term car have been almost trouble-free in terms of mechanical issues.
Still, the Saturn has major issues with regard to build quality and interior materials
(they are both substandard), and its driving dynamics can't compare with the XC90.
The Vue's drivetrain is solid in terms of power and refinement, but the car's
steering and brakes don't inspire confidence. Certainly the Saturn is cheaper,
especially with zero percent for 60 months
but sometimes you get what you
pay for. Ed.
Subject: Actual Options
From: Blake
As many potential car buyers have noticed, although many automobiles have hundreds
(or thousands) of potential option combinations, the option combos available on
given cars at a dealer lot are often somewhat generic. In other words, on a given
model, the same three or four combinations of options tend to be very common both
within a specific car lot and among dealers.
This is an age-old car-buying problem (Americans have tough problems), but can't
Edmunds do something about it? Is there a way that your Web site could track the
options that tend to be common on dealer lots? This might save buyers time: if
we know that dealers do not commonly stock the all-wheel-drive version with manual
transmission AND the built-in baby seat (although such a combination is theoretically
available), we can proceed straight to the custom-order process.
Seeing what option combinations are most common may also be interesting from a
sociological perspective maybe you guys can get a research grant?
Just a suggestion.
Strange timing on your suggestion, Blake. We recently added this exact feature
to our pricing system. If you go to any of our pricing pages, you'll see that
there's a line in the price box called "Typical Options" and below it is a link
labeled "Add/Remove" that lets you see these options. It even allows you to change
the options that are included in the pricing, but by looking at the options already
checked off when the page loads you will get an idea of what each model's typical
(or "common," as you called them) options are. Ed.
Subject: VW Touareg
From: Werener
Mr. Booth states, "Considering that VW has no history of off-roading
" That
is not true. The post-war German army (Bundeswehr) extensively used VW
vehicles. They were known in the U.S. as "the Thing" and the so-called "Microbus,"
but in Germany they were built in both two-wheel- and four-wheel-drive configurations.
Later replaced by a special "army only" four-wheel-drive car made by VW called
the "Iltis." I can tell you from firsthand experience these vehicles are
quite capable off-road.
Subject: Decibel Levels
From: A
I read your review of the Saturn
Ion. It was very helpful.
I am interested in comparing the decibel levels (cabin noise) of various models.
Not all of the cars I am interested in (Volkswagen
Golf, Toyota Celica) contain
the decibel level info in your reviews.
After using a search engine, I have not been able to find this information.
Where do you get your information on decibel levels (cabin noise)? Is there some
source that can give me noise level specs in various vehicles?
We get our decibel information as part of our instrumented testing process.
Our upcoming Economy Sedan Comparison Test has the decibel levels for eight economy
cars, including the Ion. You probably don't want to wait that long, so we'll tell
you the Ion made 51 dB at idle, 74 at full throttle and 78 while cruising at 70
mph. In terms of noise, it was louder than the Mazda
Protegé and the Mitsubishi
Lancer. Ed.
Subject: Kia Sedona
From: John
I have just read your review on the Kia
Sedona.
I own a 2002 Kia Sedona.
I recently (well, February 7, 2003) had someone magically appear in my lane, traveling
in another direction. I was not able to avoid impact and struck him at about 35
mph. The airbags failed to deploy. We were saved by the crumple zone as everything
in front of the drive wheels collapsed. The insurance adjuster decided not to
total it, probably due to my replacement coverage.
They are spending close to $10,000 to repair a car that cost me $19,596 to get
it off the lot. Kia's airbag system is not compatible with anyone else's and the
shop has been unable to find anyone that can test the airbags for me. Only a dealer
can provide that service and I'm sure that they will not find anything wrong.
The car is still in the shop after eight weeks because parts have to be shipped
from Korea. They have sent the wrong bumper brackets TWICE! I'm wondering whether
part of the car is manufactured in North Korea.
The car has less than 3,400 miles on it, but will be taken to a Chevrolet dealer
for trade-in on the day that I get it back. I'm going with a Chevy
Venture. It has available parts, made mostly in America, and gets better gas
mileage.
The Kia was fun to drive. It handled well and was quite responsive. It could pass
almost anything, except a gas station. The best mileage that I ever got from it
was 17 mpg on a straight trip from just south of Seattle to Vancouver, which is
150 miles of Interstate 5.
Around town it ranged from 10 to 13 mpg depending on the brand of gasoline. It
does have two trip meters, which makes it easy to track gas mileage.
Subject: Gray Market
From: Josh
I live in Ohio, very near the U.S./Canadian border, and have recently begun searching
for a slightly used Honda Odyssey
minivan. I had read your report on Canadian gray market cars several months
earlier with interest, "Gray
Area, What You Need to Know About Canadian Cars in the U.S." by Tara Baukus
Mello, June 19, 2002) and have recently pulled the article again.
As I have been looking at various ways to purchase this vehicle (i.e. dealers,
newspapers, Internet) I have been looking through eBay listings as well (also
having read your article
on purchasing a car through eBay). I have noticed several sellers who are openly
selling Canadian vehicles through eBay to the U.S. market. Their feedback ratings
are all very positive and very high, and I have even taken the time to e-mail
one of the sellers to inquire about his status as a registered importer (of course
he assured me he was legit). Is there any way to check these sellers out through
some sort of official channels, either through the U.S. or Canadian government?
Of course these Canadian Hondas are attractive for their lower sticker price,
but how can one tell if the importer is a con artist or an upstanding businessman?
Or if he has properly converted the car? Is there any way to enter into such a
transaction and know you are not doing anything illegal?!
Thanks for any information you can provide. I love your site and have been reading
it religiously for several years now. I never go car shopping without you guys!
Our feeling is that buying a car through all the proper channels (a U.S. dealer
selling a built-for U.S. car) offers enough challenges in terms of getting the
vehicle you want at a fair price. The extra risk factors (many of which you stated)
involved in buying a gray market vehicle more than offset any purchase price savings
you might find. Our inability to give you any concrete information on how to proceed
with such a purchase is precisely why we can't endorse it. Sorry. Ed.
Subject: Acura TSX
From: Steven
I very much enjoyed your review of the 2004
Acura TSX. Do you happen to know when it goes on sale? Thanks a lot!
They went on sale April 3. Ed.
Subject: Carmudgeon
From: Nelleke
I have to say, I had fun reading your
article about bad American drivers. It's so true!
I think the problem starts with poor driving skills to begin with learning
how to drive. I grew up in the Netherlands and there you have to have a minimum
amount of lessons (by a licensed instructor) before you can do a driving test.
And trust me, the driving test in the U.S. is a piece of cake compared to the
45-minute to 1-hour hell they put you through in Holland. But, hell or not, after
the 25-plus lessons and exam, you are a better prepared driver. And besides driving,
you were also taught driving manners, to move over a lane when a faster car is
coming up behind you is only common courtesy. How hard is it to move over a lane
to let someone by and move back to that lane if you need to pass a car yourself?
I think they should make lessons (by a driving instructor, not a parent) mandatory
and make the driving tests harder. When I had to get my U.S. license, I didn't
even have to go on the highway and we were back in 10 minutes. Granted, I already
had two driver licenses from two other countries and had been driving for years,
but it's not comforting that a 16-year-old gets the same test!
Anyway, great article!
Subject: American Driver
From: Jim
Thanks for the great article. Thankfully, I count myself as one of the better,
aware drivers in this country. I, too, put up with the slow, unaware, make-up-applying
drivers who think that driving is similar to sitting on the sofa watching TV.
With all the aftermarket mobile video players available these days, I fear
that driving a car will soon be exactly like sitting on the sofa watching TV.
Ed.
Subject: Great Article
From: Matt
Kudos on a great read Carmudgeon: "American Driver, You Ought to be Ashamed"!
Should be required reading for all drivers.
Slow people in the fast lane, inattentive drivers, etc. I see this daily! Learn
to drive, folks!
Thanks for the article!
Subject: Honda Rattle
From: Jose
I'm getting the rattle in the front door panels (passenger side only) that you
reported in the Honda
Pilot long-term drive article in November 2002. Did you ever figure out what
it was?
Thanks! Great Web site.
We still don't know what's causing it, but it's so subtle in our car that we
honestly haven't put much effort into figuring it out. We'll keep you updated
if we find anything. Ed.
Subject: Definition of a Coupe
From: Linda
I just received the latest edition of the "Coupes and Hatchbacks" newsletter,
and the first item is:
"Saturn Prices ION Quad Coupe"
The item went on to say:
"Saturn's four-door sport coupe goes on sale next month with a base price of $14,595,
including destination charges. The Quad Coupe will come in two trim levels
2 and 3 and will also offer Saturn's VTi continuously variable transmission.
Standard equipment on the coupes includes air conditioning and a CD player."
Then the pricing breakdown was listed.
Saturn's terminology for this car has bothered me ever since the car was introduced.
They also offer the ION in a sedan model; it being a four-door, they properly
label it as a "sedan." But what they label as the "Quad Coupe" isn't a coupe at
all. It is a four-door, even if two of those doors are small rear-access doors
but there are four doors nonetheless.
My own conception, as well as popular conception, generally accepted usage and
every dictionary entry I can find relating to the term in this context, restricts
"coupe" to refer to a car with TWO doors.
My question a silly one perhaps is: When was the definition of the
term "coupe" expanded to include a model such as the ION Quad Coupe? Perhaps I
simply haven't been paying attention.
It became a "Quad Coupe" a few seconds after Saturn's marketing team came up
with the term. Ed.
Subject: Diesel
From: George
Thanks for the well-written article
with respect to the latest and greatest from the diesel engine arena. As a person
who is in the market for a new automobile this year, and who is also focused on
improved gas mileage in his purchase (as well as other factors), I found your
article timely and informative. Please keep up the good work in providing insights
on the latest trends coming out of Detroit and elsewhere.
Subject: Diesel
From: Thomas
I really enjoyed your article on the new diesel passenger cars. I am a fuel scientist
and am following it closely. I started the current biodiesel developments here
at the Colorado School of Mines in 1990.
Last year I was driven around in a TDI Audi at speeds up to 250 km/hr on the Autobahns
of Germany, and was so impressed that I bought a VW
Jetta when I returned. I am currently running 20 percent biodiesel in it and
intend to do some tests on 100 percent biodiesel later this spring.
While there is a lot of hoopla about hydrogen cars, fuel cell cars and hybrid
cars, we have a practical revolution going on under our noses with TDI diesels.
My Jetta gets 20-45 mpg, closer to 100 percent more than the gasoline models and
has great torque.
In addition, refining petroleum to gasoline is very energy intensive, while refining
diesel is not, so the combined refinery/TDI car efficiency is probably 100 percent
more than for gasoline.
I have been asking many people what has happened to give us such high-performance
passenger diesels and I get lots of answers none very firm. Do you have
any idea on what they have changed? I have previously owned a diesel VW Rabbit
(ugh), Oldsmobile (ugh), and a Mercedes (uh) and they were all dogs here in the
mountains of Denver. Now I pass everyone.
I hope you will write more articles for Edmunds on this and other alternative
fuels.
The single biggest factor contributing to the modern diesel's excellent performance
is technology. For instance, Dodge's new 2003
Heavy Duty Ram uses a high-pressure fuel rail and a new technology called
"pilot injection" that improves performance while dramatically cutting the "clatter"
normally associated with diesel engines. These and other advanced technologies
were not available five years ago, but now they are working to make diesel engines
quicker and more refined while also cutting noise and diesel emissions.
We will continue to cover future diesel developments if we can fit them
in between all those Phil Reed articles everyone loves so much. Ed.
Subject: Diesel
From: Bernd
I would like to offer some constructive criticism for the special report, "Diesel
Developments." Specifically, while your highlight of biodiesel is great, I found
it to be very misleading. You cite: "Although biodiesel is not available to the
American public, some environmentally conscious drivers purchase used oil from
restaurants and run their diesel vehicles on straight vegetable oil."
I feel that you went to the trouble to write this article for the diesel novice.
Am I wrong? By describing biodiesel this way, you give biodiesel no chance for
consideration by the average consumer because you say that the only way to get
it is to be some envirofreak who burns waste cooking grease. While I agree it
is true that there are such people out there straining used oil in their garages
(and God bless them) we all know that the American consumer will not be so active
in its fuel procurement. The way one sells the idea of a thing like biodiesel
is to show how possibly mainstream it is. You have said that BD is not available
to the American consumer, which is factually incorrect. It is available, and in
ever increasing quantities, particularly in agricultural states. I think that
you should have linked www.biodiesel.org to the article to have your interested
readers read more about it and to search for where BD is available at the pump.
I would have also stated that biodiesel is an EPA-certified alternative fuel and
that it is being increasingly used for large government and commercial fleets.
Its use further reduces emissions and that it is biodegradable and its production
helps support American farmers and reduces our dependence on foreign oil
.
In short it's a good article. I hope to see more about diesels maybe
a highlight of the really amazing cars that the rest of the world gets that we
don't because of our diesel's high sulfur content but please make a point
to correct this error of BD not being available. Please make a correction to this
article or post this in your reader mail on-line.
Subject: Diesel
From: Nate
Thank you for the evenhanded diesel article "Diesel Developments."
I just wanted to point out one inaccuracy: Biodiesel is indeed available to the
general public, just not widely available. I drive my 1996
VW Passat TDI on it. There's a fairly up-to-date station listing here: http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/retailfuelingsites/default.shtm
Everything Bernd and Nate stated is technically true, but when we went to www.biodiesel.org
we found only 68 fueling stations nationwide. There was one in the states of Florida
and Texas, nine in California and 10 in Iowa. There were none in Alabama, Georgia,
Idaho, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma or South Dakota (all states
that could be considered "agricultural" in nature). There were also none in Arkansas,
Colorado, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Tennessee,
Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin or Wyoming. Ed.
Subject: Long-Term Volvo?
From: Hunter
Since Volvo started putting a lot of effort into their new car designs, I have
put a lot of thought into whether or not I should consider one along with the
Audi A4 and BMW
3 Series. However, I have heard that they have some quality problems in the
new lines, such as the S60 and S80.
Why not replace one of the cars you are getting rid of in your long-term test
fleet with a Volvo? It might seem interesting to see if they last, while also
pampering you with luxury and safety.
You aren't the only person giving Volvo a second look. The division is one
of the only branches of Ford's PAG (Premium Automotive Group) that has actually
been profitable in recent years. The product has definitely turned a corner, and
we almost got a S60 when it first hit the market (we ended up with a Hyundai
Elantra instead a car that proved to be a mechanically flawless bargain,
by the way). We'll keep your Volvo suggestion in mind. Ed.
Subject: Forester
From: Eric
I read your March
'03 long-term test of the 2003 Forester with great interest. I agree with
most of your review, except for the pricing part versus the Honda
CR-V. I recently compared several mini-SUVs before purchasing a Forester X.
CR-Vs are sold at or within a few hundred bucks of MSRP I've printed out
and shown your TMV cost of $22,056 to several Honda dealers locally, and they
basically laughed in my face. The lowest price quote was $22,400, and this was
from an Internet dealer 120 miles away.
Two weeks ago I purchased my Forester X automatic for $19,974, invoice is $21,064,
with your TMV of $21,277. My coworker was so impressed by the Forester, she just
placed an order last week for a red automatic XS premium with leather, spoiler,
upgraded sound (subwoofer, tweeter, premium speakers), alarm, all the cargo nets/divider,
auto-dimming mirror, differential protector, air filtration, rubber mats
for $24,700 even, with invoice of $25,205, your TMV of $25,584. Before purchasing
the X, I had also considered a basic XS premium (comparable to the CR-V EX, but
with a much larger sunroof and painted bumpers), and was quoted $22,800, invoice
of $23,300, TMV of $23,522. This is VERY competitively priced to a Honda CR-V
EX.
It seems Hondas sell for close to MSRP and other cars, especially the Forester,
sell for under invoice, so don't just compare MSRP pricing.
Subject: Crossfire
From: Al
The article stated that the Crossfire buyer could opt for all-season tires, which
are "the first Z-rated (for higher speed) all-season tires on the market." I have
had Pirelli P7000 Supersports on my Audi for the past year and a half, which are
Z-rated all-season tires.
It seems the Crossfire's optional all-season tires are the first factory offered Z-rated all-season tires, not the first Z-rated all-season tires on the market. Ed
Subject: Great Job!
From: Alan
Just wanted to say that your Web site is by far the most helpful in terms of conveying
all the product information about a particular car (i.e. stats, driving impressions,
interior) and applicable pricing/financing terms. Great job!
Subject: Volkswagen
New Beetle Convertible Review
From: Jeffrey
Stopping from 60 to zero in 124.3 seconds seems to be a little bit long. Maybe
you meant feet.
Subject: New Beetle
From: Gary
"With four-wheel disc brakes teamed with an antilock braking system (ABS), our
New Beetle demonstrated respectable 60-to-0 braking distances with excellent pedal
feel our best was 124.3 seconds."
The New Beetle convertible is downright dangerous if it takes over two minutes
to brake from 60 mph.
OK, so we goofed. But as punishment for the typo, we made Kelly drive the New
Better Convertible to our test facility and repeatedly stop from 60 mph until
she did it in exactly 124.3 seconds. Ed.
Subject: Comparison Test
From: Gage
I went to the Dallas Auto Show this weekend and one car in particular really caught
my eye: the Subaru
WRX STi. This got me looking into new sporty cars in this price range. What
I have found is that by this summer there will be lots of them! It's difficult
for me to decide between all the choices. To name a few that got my attention:
Track 350Z, Infiniti
G35, Lexus IS 300, Maxda
RX-8, Lancer Evolution
and the aforementioned WRX STi.
I was wondering if you were gonna do a "roundup" article for cars like this. It
would really help me if you did. I know that each car targets a slightly different
customer, but I would like to know which car achieves its own individual goals
the best. And also how they compare against each other. For example, is the Lexus
really sporty or luxurious or neither? Is the STi constructed well enough to be
compared to the Z? Which car is a poser and which car delivers?
If you would do a roundup like this, I would really appreciate it! Plus it might
be fun for you guys, too. Or even if you could post a review of the STi soon,
that would be great. Please let me know.
And also, I wanted to tell you that you guys (and gals) do great reviews and have
a great Web site. Keep it up!
Our STi story went live today (May 1) and can be accessed via the link above.
As for a roundup that would have us driving cars like the RX-8, Evolution, STi
and 350Z back to back
I suppose we could suffer through such a test in the
near future. Stay tuned, and thanks for the feedback. Ed.
Subject: Roadside Assistance
From: Travis
Hi thanks for all the useful info you guys put on The
New York Times.
I have a question on roadside assistance as it appears on the page linked here:
http://edmunds.nytimes.com/advice/warranties/articles/43094/article.html
Is there an updated version of this chart? (This is from 1999.) It seems to me
that Toyota and others have now offered or expanded roadside assistance with new
and used cars and I was hoping to get the most current info. Any help is appreciated.
I'm not sure where you get the 1999 reference. The chart on the page you mentioned
is completely up to date. In addition, we've added complete coverage of all the
certified programs offered by the manufacturers. You can find the story here:
http://edmunds.nytimes.com/advice/cpo/articles/101200/article.html
Hope this helps. Ed.
Subject: Defensive Driving
From: Stacy
I read your article
in the Sunday Magazine section of L.A. Times a few weeks ago and thought
this would be the perfect gift for my boyfriend's 16-year-old daughter. The only
thing is, she lives on Long Island, N.Y. Can you recommend a school in the greater
NYC metro area?
Many of the high-performance driving schools are broadening their scope by
offering defensive driving courses. The one on the East Coast that springs to
mind is Skip
Barber, located at Lime Rock Park, in northwest Connecticut, in Lakeville.
Ed.
Subject: Where to Buy?
From: Raj
Hello, chaps.
May I congratulate you on an excellent and informative Web site please
keep up the good work. I have one question and a comment.
First, I am a British citizen due to move to the U.S. at some point this year.
I will have to buy a car shortly after arrival. If I was staying in the U.K. I
would buy a Mercedes E-Class 220 diesel wagon. Unfortunately, Mercedes only sells
the larger petrol E-Class 320
in the U.S., which is way too expensive for my budget. I would prefer an estate
so am considering a used 1999/2000
VW Passat or Jetta
estate, Audi A4 or A6
estate or possibly abandoning the wagon a 1999
Lexus ES 300. Any ideas on which car would give me the best combination of
a quiet ride with good reliability and fuel economy. I'm intending to spend about
$20,000. Also, I'm not sure where we will settle so we can buy anywhere in the
U.S. is there any location where better deals are to be had? Would it be
an idea to buy in Canada and import?
Many thanks for your kind assistance.
The ES 300 will be both quiet and reliable. After you arrive in the States
just use our dealer locator feature (you can
follow this link or find it on the pricing pages for a used ES 300). Make sure
you follow our 10 Steps to
Buying a Used Car, and you'll be fine. We don't recommend buying Canadian
cars and trying to import them. Ed.
Subject: Thanks
From: George
Edmunds is like a policeman pounding a beat and protecting citizens against the
criminals lurking in car dealerships.
Yeah, plus we like doughnuts. Ed.
Subject: Daytime Running Lights
From: Jim
I bought a GM vehicle recently. The biggest mistake I've ever made. Why you ask?
I can't turn off my lights. What articles do you have at Edmunds.com on the topic
of DRLs?
We've never written a specific article on DRLs, but we can tell you that studies
show a slight reduction in accident rates for cars equipped with DRLs. At the
same time, we're not fans of cars that never allow you to turn off the headlights
(what if your alternator goes out in the middle of nowhere and you need to maximize
the distance you can limp along on the battery?). We can tell you all GM and Toyota
products have DRLs. This type of feature is listed on our vehicle detail page
under "standard equipment" if you scroll down to the "Safety" heading. You can
see an example here.
Ed.
Subject: Comfort
From: Becky
I have been searching your site for months. It is great! I am trying to find the
most comfortable riding car, though, and can't seem to find info on this subject.
People who have medical problems need a soft riding car. Hard to find these days
since everything rides like a European sports car. We don't particularly feel
well enough to test-drive every car in town. Can you help?
Comfort is such a subjective characteristic that it's difficult to say which car is right for you. However, generally speaking, any Lexus (except the IS
300 and the SC 430 with run-flats)
will have a very forgiving ride. The same is true of any Buick or Cadillac. As
you noted, most European cars have a firmer ride, so stay away from those if this
is your primary concern. Since you probably also want something that is easy to
get into and out of, an SUV like the Cadillac
Escalade, Lexus RX 330 or Buick
Rendezvous probably isn't a good idea. I'd try driving a Cadillac
Seville, Cadillac DeVille,
Buick Park Avenue and Lexus
LS 430. One of those should fit your needs. Ed.
Subject: Car Buying
From: Ed
The information you provide is invaluable.
Yet it still seems that this whole process is more difficult than it should be.
Several years ago you suggested a profit of 2.5 to 3.5 percent on a car was reasonable
for the dealership is that still applicable?
I am in the middle of negotiating a lease on a new BMW
Z4 3.0 for myself and a lease on a new Honda
Accord for my girlfriend. It appears (and I stress appears) that I
am doing a little better than TMV on the BMW, I am right at TMV on the Honda.
But I was thinking that a 3-percent profit for the dealership is sufficient.
Any thoughts on the profit margin?
The profit varies depending on how "in-demand" the car is. When cars are just
coming into the marketplace, and are hard to find, they demand higher prices.
These prices vary substantially, hence the beauty of TMV we have done the
research for the buyer. If you are already below TMV then you are doing better
than the average buyer out there. Ed.
Subject: Audi
From: Steven
Hello, I just totaled my A4 2.8 Quattro five-speed after slipping on some black
ice and hitting a tree. It was very safe and I am fine, but I was wondering what
you thought about the 2000 A6 2.7T with a six-speed transmission. Do you think
that one of those with 58K miles would be as fun as a '99.5 A4 2.8 Quattro? I
test-drove one today but couldn't get a good feel for it because I was driving
with a salesman. I didn't know if it was as "flingable" as my previous A4. I like
spirited driving and was wondering if you could give me any guidance at all. I
read your site religiously but cannot find any site that compares the different
Audi cars with themselves. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. I am 20 years
old, and will be getting money from collision insurance. Thank you.
First, glad to hear you're OK despite a totaled A4. Proof that: A) modern cars
have amazing safety systems, and B) even all-wheel drive doesn't make one invincible
when it comes to driving on slippery surfaces.
An A6 2.7T with a manual transmission will be an entertaining ride, but not as
tossable as the lighter A4 due to sheer physics. If you're really into the "fun"
aspect of driving, the A6 may feel a bit lethargic compared to the A4 (though
it's still a fun car in its own right). Ed.
Subject: Mustang History
From: John
Nice job done on the Mustang.
I write historical articles for several U.S., Canadian and U.K. automobile publications
and recognize an excellent job of research when I see it. In addition, I own a
1965 HyPo coupe and have researched it through several Mustang guides. Your excellent
article could stand appearing in those guides as well.
Nicely done.
Subject: Not an SUV
From: Mark
I don't see how you can go ahead and call the Honda
Element an SUV if it's only two-wheel drive.
That's like calling the VW beetle a dune buggy.
The Element is also available with all-wheel drive and have you ever
seen a Manx? Ed.
Subject: Safety Features
From: Mike
I'm looking for definitions or descriptions of a couple safety features available.
Within the next two months, I plan to buy either a 2003
Honda Odyssey EX or a 2004 Toyota
Sienna LE with or without Option Package 7. I understand the 2003 Odyssey
comes with traction control and variable assisted steering(?). I understand the
2004 Toyota Sienna LE with Option Package 7 comes with traction control, vehicle
stability control system and electronic brake assistance(?). I found useful articles
at Edmunds' safety section on traction control and vehicle stability control system
I'm not completely sure if they are worth the extra $2,400-$2,900 for the
Sienna's Option Package 7 though. However, I have not found a definition of: o
electronic brake assistance that is supposed to come with the 2004 Sienna LE with
Option Package 7. o variable assisted steering on the 2003 Honda Odyssey EX. Can
you define these two safety features? Thanks for your time.
Electronic BrakeAssist will apply full braking force if the car's sensors think
you're in an emergency situation that requires full braking but the driver is
not applying enough brake pedal pressure to activate ABS. It comes out of research
that indicates many drivers have more braking power at their disposal than they
realize, and thus they don't apply enough brake pedal pressure and don't reap
the benefits of ABS. We wrote a story about it back in 1998 called "Fixing
Antilock Brakes".
Variable assisted steering is a steering system that changes the amount of power assist depending on how fast the vehicle is traveling. At low speeds you generally want more power assist to minimize the effort required to turn the steering wheel when, for example, you're parallel parking. But at higher speeds, you want less power assist so that you can experience better "road feel" through the steering wheel. Variable assisted steering is supposed to provide both characteristics in one car. Ed.
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